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Star-Dirigent: „Man erzählt mir ständig, ich sei zu nett“

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Ausdrucksstark: der Dirigent Sir Simon Rattle am Mittwoch im Hamburger Hotel Vier Jahreszeiten.

Ausdrucksstark: der Dirigent Sir Simon Rattle am Mittwoch im Hamburger Hotel Vier Jahreszeiten.

Foto: Roland Magunia

Simon Rattle war zweimal zu Gast in der Elbphilharmonie. Ein Gespräch über berüchtigte Kollegen und einen Abend mit der Kanzlerin.

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