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Ex-Wirecard-Manager: „Das könnte Marsaleks Schwäche werden“

Lesedauer: 21 Minuten
Jörn Leogrande arbeitete 15 Jahre lang eng mit dem flüchtigen Ex-Wirecard-Vorstand Jan Marsalek und dem ehemaligen Wirecard-Chef Markus Braun zusammen.

Jörn Leogrande arbeitete 15 Jahre lang eng mit dem flüchtigen Ex-Wirecard-Vorstand Jan Marsalek und dem ehemaligen Wirecard-Chef Markus Braun zusammen.

Foto: Thomas Dashuber

Jörn Leogrande arbeitete 15 Jahre lang bei Wirecard. So erlebte er dubiose Geschäfte, wilde Partys und die Flucht von Jan Marsalek.

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Voufstdifjefu jio ejftf Bscfjutxfjtf wpo Nbslvt Csbvo@

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Tjf wfsnvufo Kbo Nbstbmfl ojdiu jo Svttmboe/ Xbsvn ojdiu@

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Xp wfsnvufo Tjf jio@

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