Interview

"China ist zu einem Müllplatz geworden"

Lesedauer: 10 Minuten

Niemand wusste von seinen Fluchtplänen. Die Freiheit zu schreiben war Liao Yiwu wichtiger. Ein Gespräch über China, die Kunst und seine Zukunft

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