Interview

Leonhard stockt wegen des Flüchtlingsstroms Personal auf

Hamburgs Sozialsenatorin Melanie Leonhard beim Abendblatt-Interview

Hamburgs Sozialsenatorin Melanie Leonhard beim Abendblatt-Interview

Foto: Michael Rauhe

Hamburgs neue Sozialsenatorin erklärt, wie sie den Flüchtlings-Zustrom meistern will und woran sie sich messen lassen möchte.

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