Elbphilharmonie

"Komponieren – das ist Glück, ist Angst, ist Abenteuer"

Lesedauer: 9 Minuten
Joachim Mischke
Der Komponist Helmut Lachenmann

Der Komponist Helmut Lachenmann

Foto: picture alliance

Ein Gespräch mit Komponist Helmut Lachenmann über die Wirkung, die Bedeutung, die Entstehung und das Verklingen von Musik.

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