Interview

Elbphilharmonie: Bald Hausverbot für Tschaikowsky?

Lesedauer: 11 Minuten
Joachim Mischke
Christoph Lieben-Seutter, Hausherr in Hamburgs beliebtester Musikimmobilie.

Christoph Lieben-Seutter, Hausherr in Hamburgs beliebtester Musikimmobilie.

Foto: Roland Magunia

Generalintendant Lieben-Seutter über die Vorlieben von Veranstaltern und Publikum und über das Beethoven-Jahr ohne Beethoven.

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