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Elbdome gegen Hochbahn – Kampf um ein wichtiges Grundstück

Lesedauer: 11 Minuten
Das 16.500 Quadratmeter große Gelände vor der S-Bahn-Station Veddel/Ballinstadt – hier wollen Hochbahn AG und die Bundesliga-Basketballer der Hamburg Towers bauen. Der Senat muss jetzt entscheiden, wer es am Ende darf.

Das 16.500 Quadratmeter große Gelände vor der S-Bahn-Station Veddel/Ballinstadt – hier wollen Hochbahn AG und die Bundesliga-Basketballer der Hamburg Towers bauen. Der Senat muss jetzt entscheiden, wer es am Ende darf.

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Am S-Bahnhof Veddel soll für die Towers eine Arena entstehen – oder ein Verkehrsknotenpunkt. Beide haben gute Argumente.

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Hamburger Senat muss zwischen Elbdome und Hochbahn entscheiden

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Beide Seiten haben gute Argumente

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Barclaycard Arena für beide Mannschaften auf Dauer zu groß

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Dass sich der Elbdome auf der Veddel rechnet, daran zweifelt der Unternehmer nicht

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Elbdome soll auch der digitalen Welt Platz bieten

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Der Bau des Elbdomes steht im Koalitionsvertrag

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=tuspoh?Mftfo Tjf bvdi=0tuspoh?

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Karajica hat jetzt eine Lösung für beide Projekte in die Diskussion eingebracht

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