Abendblatt-Interview

„Die Callas hat recht: Oper ist ein Schlachtfeld“

Lesedauer: 8 Minuten
Maria Callas mit dem Pianisten Ivor Newton 1973 auf der Bühne des Hamburger CCH. Den aktuellen Film über sie findet Spingler „unverschämt“

Maria Callas mit dem Pianisten Ivor Newton 1973 auf der Bühne des Hamburger CCH. Den aktuellen Film über sie findet Spingler „unverschämt“

Foto: picture alliance / dpa

Mit Bühnenkunst zu überwältigen sei nicht nur Hochleistungssport, sondern „Krieg“, findet die Mezzosopranistin Renate Spingler.

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