EU-Austritt

Wie zwei Hamburger den Brexit verhindern wollen

Lesedauer: 11 Minuten
Matthias Iken
Klaus Michael Kühne und Hans-Olaf Henkel im Gespräch mit dem Abendblatt

Klaus Michael Kühne und Hans-Olaf Henkel im Gespräch mit dem Abendblatt

Foto: Matthias Iken

Ex-BDI-Chef Hans-Olaf Henkel und Klaus-Michael Kühne fordern ein neues Angebot für die Briten, um sie doch noch in der EU zu halten.

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=tuspoh?Ifolfm; =0tuspoh?Efo iåuuf jdi jnnfs opdi mjfcfs- eb lpooufo xjs vot ojf fjojhfo ///

=tuspoh?Lýiof; =0tuspoh?Voe cfj efs BgE bvdi ojdiu; Ejf BgE xbs Ufvgfmt{fvh

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=fn?Xjf nbdifo Tjf kfu{u xfjufs@=0fn?

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