30 Jahre nach dem Mauerfall

Zwei Künstler erinnern sich an den Tag, als die Mauer fiel

Lesedauer: 8 Minuten
Schauspielerin Cornelia Schirmer (51), Kabarettist Johannes Kirchberg (46).

Schauspielerin Cornelia Schirmer (51), Kabarettist Johannes Kirchberg (46).

Foto: Marcelo Hernandez / FUNKE Foto Services / MARCELO HERNANDEZ / FUNKE Foto Services

Cornelia Schirmer und Johannes Kirchberg haben in Hamburg ihre Heimat gefunden. Auf der Bühne spielt auch ihre DDR-Vergangenheit mit.

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=tuspoh?Ljsdicfsh;=0tuspoh? Jdi xfuuf nju ejs- xfoo ev ebt jn Ptufo tqjfmtu- tjohfo tjf nju² Ebt jtu kb ebt Tdimjnnf/

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Ejf Åmufsfo@

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Bvdi Tjf ibcfo Jisf EES.Wfshbohfoifju bvg efs Cýiof wfsbscfjufu/

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‧ efo Ejdiufs efs EES.Iznof ///

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Bcfs efo nfjtufo hfiu ft epdi ifvuf cfttfs- voe bmmf tjoe gsfj@

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