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„Illner“: Zoff zwischen SPD- und CDU-Jugend um Grundrente

Lesedauer: 4 Minuten
Tilman Kuban (links) und Kevin Kühnert streiten in der Talk-Show von Maybrit Illner über die Grundrente.

Tilman Kuban (links) und Kevin Kühnert streiten in der Talk-Show von Maybrit Illner über die Grundrente.

Foto: Claudius Pflug / ZDF / Claudius Pflug

Bei „Maybrit Illner“ stritten die Chefs von Jusos und Junger Union über die Grundrente. Zur Sache ging es bei der Generationenfrage.

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Kevin Kühnert sieht Kritik an Grundrente-Konzept von Hubertus Heil als „respektlos“

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Kühnert ist froh, dass es Streit gibt

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