Hamburg

„Keine Entscheidung gegen die Kunsthalle“

Christoph Martin Vogtherr (53) verlässt nach nur zwei Jahren als Direktor die Hamburger Kunsthalle.

Christoph Martin Vogtherr (53) verlässt nach nur zwei Jahren als Direktor die Hamburger Kunsthalle.

Foto: Andreas Laible / HA

Der scheidende Museumsdirektor Christoph Martin Vogtherr über vertane Chancen und den Job seines Lebens.

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