„Ich war nie böse auf die Stadt“

Am 8. September feiert der Dirigent Christoph von Dohnányi seinen 85. Geburtstag. Ein Gespräch über Grundsätzliches, Erreichtes und Unerreichbares

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Epioâozj;

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Epioâozj;

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Epioâozj;

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