Deutungen: Die Urenkelin des Komponisten über dessen Lebensthemen

Was macht Wagner so besonders?

Ein Gespräch mit Nike Wagner über den "Ring" und seinen Reiz, über vorwärtsstrebende Reime und Bayreuther Betonköpfe.

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Xbhofs;

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